tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post7386158565867139514..comments2023-12-07T03:45:06.927-05:00Comments on Forks Off The Moment: The Reason For the Season Is ...?Diannehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02946500110072411468noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-45181954901006270002008-11-30T15:56:00.000-05:002008-11-30T15:56:00.000-05:00How sadly ironic that this happened so close in ti...How sadly ironic that this happened so close in time to the attacks in Mumbai - perpetrated by terrorists targeting Westerners whom they view as disgustingly decadent and material...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-48981091033913991542008-11-30T15:15:00.000-05:002008-11-30T15:15:00.000-05:00So tragic - no individual to blame and yet everyon...So tragic - no individual to blame and yet everyone is at fault. It's like a cruel storyline in a movie. Very sad.<BR/><BR/>And Daryl, that was just wicked! A sense of humour is always in order. But oh so wicked! :)Hilaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12787493532006658679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-44002634514429672462008-11-30T10:56:00.000-05:002008-11-30T10:56:00.000-05:00I had several 'gut' reactions to this news story ....I had several 'gut' reactions to this news story ... first I am disgusted with the way people act in crowds .. and then I had to ask WAL MART? Puleeze. If you have to push and shove and possibly harm someone do it at Gucci, Prada or Fendi .. at least they have stuff to 'die for' .. <BR/><BR/>;-DarylDarylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08241795455748298624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-46146591676769563072008-11-30T09:52:00.000-05:002008-11-30T09:52:00.000-05:00spartacus - it could have happened anywhere.Consid...spartacus - it could have happened anywhere.Considering how congested our streets and parking lots and malls are, thinking of the stress of just a normal day - let alone holiday madness - I think it is a testament to our restraint that very few incidents happen during shopping season. I'd love to see some of the smug small town idiots who proclaimed themselves the true Americans bear up under it. They'd be shooting each other left and right! Or trying to find a way to blame NY or LA ;)<BR/><BR/>mymaracas - I agree. thanks for taking the time to comment. <BR/><BR/>maithri - I'm hoping to find enough time to do a little research and post something worth reading tomorrow. Too much - too many - are forgotten in the daily grind.<BR/><BR/>askew - what a cool and noble decision and I'm sure it wasn't easy to make. You may think you procrastinated - I think you made a choice :)<BR/>He may have thought he was letting in an employee although stores have really strict rules about employee entrances. I can't use a regular entrance even on my day off. All employees must always use employee sntrances which are always located near security. I read that there was a disturbance at the front of the line - some people were trying to cut to the front - one woman near the front said she couldn't breathe and was trying to leave the line. Maybe he saw this distress and thought he could help.<BR/>there was clearly no security and already there are probable law suits. I usually have very mixed feelings about people sueing over everything but in this case I hope Wal-Mart is slammed. Slammed over and over again.<BR/><BR/>mark - AmenDiannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02946500110072411468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-63240685198002492102008-11-30T09:50:00.000-05:002008-11-30T09:50:00.000-05:00Absolutely disgusting. This was na example of gree...Absolutely disgusting. This was na example of greed at it's worst. What a pointless death :(Bobkathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11842625953465490864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-35544936511378161662008-11-30T06:36:00.000-05:002008-11-30T06:36:00.000-05:00With different names and faces we repeat this ever...With different names and faces we repeat this every year, this rising crescendo of media fueled madness. Not just Madison Avenue builds the frenzy but supposed news media for two weeks before feeding the fire of desire to "have Christmas for the children."<BR/><BR/>Will America learn from this, both consumer and retailer? No, by July, if asked who Jdimytai Damour was; everyone will say "who?" and when reminded we will say..."but he was in the way of the deal."<BR/><BR/>Tis the season to be greedy<BR/>fuck the poor <BR/>forget the needy<BR/>Jdimytai Damour<BR/>died on a Wal-Mart floor<BR/>for no reason.the walking manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10058913927297370740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-76015784871911962512008-11-30T02:06:00.000-05:002008-11-30T02:06:00.000-05:00Such a horrible story. How do those people justify...Such a horrible story. How do those people justify what happened? I read that he was a temporary worker, that he was hired to do janitorial, so I wonder if he opened the door because he thought he was letting in some of the store's staff. <BR/><BR/>I am no fan of Black Friday. We were told that we could set up shopping pages, that we could link to our blog posts, in order to make money from our affliates. I know that ads are very important to our company - that's how they are able to pay us, but I felt so torn about this. I procrastinated and procrastinated, until finally I thought, forget it. And I did.Askew To Youhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14260528989087039822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-131079043169261092008-11-30T01:13:00.000-05:002008-11-30T01:13:00.000-05:00Thanks also for spreading the word about world AID...Thanks also for spreading the word about world AIDS day...<BR/><BR/>We need more angels... spreading awareness of those who are suffering.<BR/><BR/>With love, MMaithrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17039947095595430108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-52597285986395936082008-11-30T00:04:00.000-05:002008-11-30T00:04:00.000-05:00Of all the ugly aspects of the holiday season, Bla...Of all the ugly aspects of the holiday season, Black Friday is the worst. It saddens me to see people reduced to frenzied greed, and over what? Trinkets and toys? No store holds anything worth this.MyMaracashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04277857661670053625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-61541463015882624452008-11-29T22:46:00.000-05:002008-11-29T22:46:00.000-05:00This is sickening Dianne. It almost makes me asham...This is sickening Dianne. It almost makes me ashamed to say I live on Long Island.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-90275725542116014192008-11-29T22:11:00.000-05:002008-11-29T22:11:00.000-05:00rambling - ever since I've started using a cane to...rambling - ever since I've started using a cane to get around I have become even more aware of how thoughtless people can be.<BR/><BR/>quiet rage - pretty much :(<BR/><BR/>shelly - I have never been in a Wal-Mart and I intend to keep it that way.<BR/>Further investigation into this has revealed that there was NO security and there were people cutting the line, that's how the door was broken down.<BR/><BR/>anndi - I wonder if they even "get it" - I've read that even after hearing someone was killed and being asked to leave the store people were refusing and bitching about how long they had waited.<BR/>His Dad was on TV tonight and it was heartbreaking<BR/><BR/>melli - I have never done Black Friday either, even when I was younger. I have always found it repulsive.<BR/><BR/>koala - we have that all the time and never any trouble. there is something so hysterical about Black Friday. It's like a virus.<BR/><BR/>CG - I guess the crunch is an even crazier need for deep discounts. I'll never need a TV that bad!<BR/><BR/>ivanhoe - in general I like shopping early. I hate crowds and usually there are none in the mornings.<BR/><BR/>kerry - I agree for the most part. It has been shown that Wal-Mart had NO viable security. But after watching so much of the Black Friday coverage I still have to say that people have to take responsibility for themselves. There was all this coverage of people rushing thru doors like packs of bleating pigs.<BR/><BR/>tammy - I could just imagine the uproar here if Black Friday were ever cancelled. There is a movement for "No Shopping Friday" but it never gets much coverage since all the big corporations basically own the news.<BR/><BR/>jeff - it has been weighing on my mind since it happened. I will check out your thoughts.<BR/><BR/>patti - "materialism has reached a new low" - Amen!<BR/><BR/>raven - I'm fine. I chose not to work Wednesday so I could cook and then was exhausted yesterday so today and tomorrow are frantic catch up. I know Finola will be great when she's back lol<BR/>I just don't have a head for fiction these days, life is too f'ing real <BR/><BR/>rich - I am, I have been for a long time now, pretty sick of how many of my fellow citizens are asshats. All your adjectives are quite appropriate.<BR/><BR/>kerry - Wal-Mart will weasel out of any responsibility as they always do.<BR/><BR/>dr john - I'll freely admit to my intense distaste for organized religion. I'll even take it further during this season to admit to absolute disgust at 'Christians' believing they have the right to have any say at all in what a business does or does not say. Or in thinking they should have their religious symbols on public property or their religious songs sung in secular venues. I'm not ashamed of feeling that way and make no apologies for feeling that way. My feeling is and always will be that everyone is free to worship as they see fit - IN their church, IN their homes. I find most of these "christmas is being killed" lunatics to be nothing more but people wishing to shove their beliefs down everyone's throat. I also feel that most religious zealots are more than a little crazy and cause nothing but heartache and division to the general population. Christmas was turned into a business, an official state holiday if you will BY Christians who want it both ways. No other religious group inflicts itself on the populace the way Christians do. As a half Jew, half Catholic who traveled back and forth between 2 sets of "practicing" families and then later married a Southern Baptist I have seen the BS first hand. So I guess your accusation is true - am I prejudiced? - yes I am. Against crazy and hypocritical. I assume most of those people were shopping for Christmas because they said they were. <BR/><BR/>snoop - I didn't hear about Michaels. I never shop much any way and even less this year. <BR/><BR/>riverpoet - I only saw his Dad. I didn't know how big his family was. This bothers me to no end. People on rice lines in Africa behave better than this and are far more grateful for so much less than the poorest of us have.Diannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02946500110072411468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-35291420125226520542008-11-29T20:53:00.000-05:002008-11-29T20:53:00.000-05:00This story is beyond sad, beyond horrifying. This ...This story is beyond sad, beyond horrifying. This poor man was a temp worker, so he wasn't necessarily well-versed in store policies, which may be why he made the mistake at the door. He never should have been assigned to the door, but like you said, there's plenty of blame to go around. I hope they find and prosecute the heartless people who knocked down the doors and trampled this poor man. His family in Haiti is in shock. <BR/><BR/>Who can blame them? What must other countries think of us?<BR/><BR/>Peace - DRiverPoethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01846730934649303857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-71859870585821302422008-11-29T19:39:00.000-05:002008-11-29T19:39:00.000-05:00Honestly, this consumer/material driven society ha...Honestly, this consumer/material driven society has forgotten the meaning of these holidays. I was appalled to read that Michael's would be opening for three hours on Thanksgiving night-and then several stores opening at 4am for Black Friday. Now reading this, what is worth trampling some poor unpaid, overworked young man for? It makes me want to skip shopping altogether.Linda Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801313102525232162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-64340443136974156032008-11-29T18:51:00.000-05:002008-11-29T18:51:00.000-05:00I think the entire black Friday thing makes little...I think the entire black Friday thing makes little sense. It brings out the very worst in people. We never shop on that day.<BR/>However, don't be so quick to lump groups together.<BR/>"although I’ll bet you many of those brutish shoppers are the same people who carry on about ‘Jesus being taken out of Christmas’ and complain when a sales person they didn’t trample to death says ‘Happy Holidays’ rather than ‘Merry Christmas’"<BR/>is not justified by any of the facts and rises strictly from your prejudice.Dr.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02752941912945095736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-18909082699891476632008-11-29T15:23:00.000-05:002008-11-29T15:23:00.000-05:00Allow me to say something unpopular: it was not gr...Allow me to say something unpopular: it was not greed or crazy shoppers that killed this man. The door opened, and the crowd got moving. Once a mob gets moving, there is no way to stop it. Even the people in the crowd are powerless to do anything about it. Once a door is opened, it can't be closed. It's terribly unfortunate, tragic even, but I really doubt that it was a case of people foaming at the mouth with murder in their eyes, ready and willing to get that TV no matter what, even if it meant killing someone. I'll reiterate what I said before: this was a case of too many people and not enough crowd control. Should WalMart be held responsible for attracting so many people and failing to have proper procedures in place? Absolutely. Should the people in the crowd be berated? No. I'm sure they feel guilty enough as it is, and it wasn't even their fault.Kerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10530314541318205187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-465444843654277432008-11-29T14:57:00.000-05:002008-11-29T14:57:00.000-05:00Dianne: Thank goodness 2000 self-indulgent, greedy...Dianne: Thank goodness 2000 self-indulgent, greedy, thoughtless and shallow people got their flat screen TVs at that store. <BR/><BR/>Now they can go home and watch themselves on the news on their new sets.<BR/><BR/>At times it seems like we're doomed to be a country of ignorant dipshits. Or at least a country that tolerates a good percentage of the population being that way.<BR/><BR/>Merry Frigging Christmas, I guess.<BR/><BR/>RichRichardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17028871782757014447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-5577588785064515562008-11-29T14:27:00.000-05:002008-11-29T14:27:00.000-05:00I so agree. This story is sad and disgusting on so...I so agree. This story is sad and disgusting on so many levels. As is the story of what has happened in Mumbai. I'm hoping (always the optimist) that Mumbai is the beginning of the END of such violence. I don't understand the world sometimes. <BR/><BR/>Missing you and Finola at wordzzles. Hope you are ok.Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04996538460071167819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-76740115807995012032008-11-29T14:23:00.000-05:002008-11-29T14:23:00.000-05:00This tragic news made me sick to my stomach as wel...This tragic news made me sick to my stomach as well. I cannot believe people would go to such extremes to get a bargain on some crap at Wal Mart. <BR/>Some people have lost the true meaning of this season.<BR/>And don't they care about a fellow human being?<BR/><BR/>I hate Black Friday and don't participate. <BR/><BR/>The day after Thanksgiving will forever be a nightmare for the family of the poor guy who was trampled to death just doing his job.<BR/><BR/>Materialism has reached a new low.Pattihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04418107045479403480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-72792828840032240322008-11-29T13:16:00.000-05:002008-11-29T13:16:00.000-05:00This story has really affected me emotionally. I w...This story has really affected me emotionally. I won't go on and on here, because I have a post planned for sometime latter today on the very same topic. Just wanted to say I feel you contempt for the actions of the greedy consumers that have taken over Christmas.Jeff Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10978944708950054312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-52425504881759334372008-11-29T12:23:00.000-05:002008-11-29T12:23:00.000-05:00That is beyond horrible! I'm so glad we don't have...That is beyond horrible! I'm so glad we don't have Black Friday here in Canada.Mom Knows Everythinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07411100964204886892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-61918916646797808872008-11-29T12:10:00.000-05:002008-11-29T12:10:00.000-05:00This is so sad. I can't help but wonder, though, ...This is so sad. <BR/><BR/>I can't help but wonder, though, if it has less to do with greed and more to do with lack of crowd control. When you get a lot of people trying to get through a small space, like a door, bad things can happen. A girl was trampled once when they opened the door to my Middle School in the morning to let us all in from the schoolyard. (I think she got maybe a sprain or something, nothing serious.) Not exactly someplace that people were oh-so-excited to get in, but a crowd is like a tide, once the door is open and the tide gets moving, you can't stop it. I blame the Evil Giant for providing such insane incentives to be the first one through the door, yet neglecting to provide any kind of crowd control.Kerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10530314541318205187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-56990390133055727302008-11-29T12:05:00.000-05:002008-11-29T12:05:00.000-05:00What a shame! I'm not an early riser so there is n...What a shame! I'm not an early riser so there is no door buster who could get me out of the bed at that horrible hour. I think I went shopping on Black Friday just once. At 4 pm :o) I hate crowds.Ivanhoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14568486975589895670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-50281529035418177522008-11-29T11:58:00.000-05:002008-11-29T11:58:00.000-05:00That is a tragedy. You could understand the rush i...That is a tragedy. You could understand the rush if people were starving but for a plasma tv...incredible.<BR/><BR/>Recently one of our motorways (freeways) ground to a halt when a store announced a huge sale. People couldn't get to work for the rush to buy TVs, satnavs and Wii games.<BR/><BR/>Credit cruch...what credit crunch??CGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13773161375865716360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-35173999873070734382008-11-29T10:05:00.000-05:002008-11-29T10:05:00.000-05:00Wow. And people here complain when a new electroni...Wow. And people here complain when a new electronic store opens with sale about shoppers camping outside with sleeping bags to be the first in line. At least we don't have Black Friday.ninjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17102182140461159463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4797176281269170321.post-5351658559457298002008-11-29T09:47:00.000-05:002008-11-29T09:47:00.000-05:00AMEN Sister Dianne!!! I just happened to mention ...AMEN Sister Dianne!!! I just happened to mention on my blog today how I don't DO black friday! This is just sickeningly sad...Mellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16266127127286739779noreply@blogger.com